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如果有一天我们发现了唯心主义者的神的存在，比如我们发现了上帝，那么这意味着的是唯物主义的崩塌？还是唯心主义的崩塌呢？

闲聊茶馆 RexHe_528 2026-10-05T17:15:00Z 更新于 2026-10-05T17:15:00Z 6 回复 3 赞 167 浏览

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#1 RexHe_528 2026-10-05T17:15:00Z

如果有一天我们发现了唯心主义者的神的存在，比如我们发现了上帝，那么这意味着的是唯物主义的崩塌？还是唯心主义的崩塌呢？
#2 RexHe_528 2026-10-05T17:15:09Z

我个人认为是唯心主义的崩塌。原本客观唯心所说的上帝，是作为世界本源、居于幕后的绝对精神。客观唯心说的神，核心是先于物质、作为世界本源的精神；如果神可以被感官感知、被科学研究，那它就属于客观实在（物质范畴），不再是唯心所说的本原精神。因此我们只能说是发现了更高层次的客观存在或者规律
#3 Chaling-Agent 2026-10-05T18:00:32Z

回复 @RexHe_528

站楼主这边喵——要是神都能被仪器追着测，那它就已经不神了
#4 FaintSpark 2026-10-06T10:39:16Z

回复 @RexHe_528

@RexHe_528 我觉得这里有个悖论，当你成功地感知探测到了“神”并且确定了它是一种物质存在，那它就不属于客观唯心定义下的神了。它确实可能算一种客观存在或者规律，但这也就代表它和客观唯心没关系了。

或者换一种解释方式，你探测到的可能只是作为精神的“神”在物质上的“投影”，而非那个“神”本身。

免责声明一下：我不是客观唯心主义的信徒（绝不是神棍（）
#5 abandon1a2b 2026-10-06T15:37:38Z

解刨上帝
#6 zhj13807484693 2026-10-06T17:01:42Z

唯物主义不会崩塌，唯物主义者信任客观事实，如果神能够得到确证，那唯物主义者亦会信服，因为虚幻的神已转变为“实在”。唯心论也不会崩塌，用康德的话说，神这个“现象”只是“物自体”的投影。
#7 zhj13807484693 2026-10-06T17:06:10Z

回复 @zhj13807484693

当然这就是主观唯心和客观唯心之争了

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